{"id":3757,"date":"2025-12-28T09:44:07","date_gmt":"2025-12-28T06:44:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/nottoday.media\/en\/?p=3757"},"modified":"2025-12-28T09:46:28","modified_gmt":"2025-12-28T06:46:28","slug":"there-are-more-dead-people-than-living-ones-paradoxically-the-dead-are-the-largest-social-group-interview-with-maksim-yevstropov-the-party-of-the-dead","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nottoday.media\/en\/activism\/there-are-more-dead-people-than-living-ones-paradoxically-the-dead-are-the-largest-social-group-interview-with-maksim-yevstropov-the-party-of-the-dead","title":{"rendered":"\u201cThere are more dead people than living ones. Paradoxically, the dead are the largest social group.\u201d Interview with Maksim Yevstropov, the Party of the Dead"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>In our world, there is almost no silence in politics. But there are those who speak from the shadows\u2014those who are not heard, those called the dead. We met with Maxim Evstropov, the founder of the <a href=\"https:\/\/t.me\/partyofthedead\">Party of the Dead<\/a>, and through him, we hear their voices: whispers, memories, protest. This is neither a joke nor a mere art experiment\u2014it is a performance that has become politics, and politics that has turned into ritual. Maxim is not just a conductor of these voices\u2014he also shares the music he hears himself: as if recorded on the border between worlds. This interview is an attempt to peer into that place where the boundary between the living and the dead blurs. Read and listen to what has been silenced for so long.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Maxim Evstropov \u2014 Founder of the Party of the Dead<\/strong><\/p>\n<pre class=\"wp-block-code\" style=\"font-size:30px\"><code><strong>\"First Steps Through the Dust\"<\/strong><\/code><\/pre>\n<p><strong>\u2014 What moment served as the starting point for creating the Party of the Dead: personal experience, political disillusionment, or the call of those who go unheard?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 The party has many starting points\u2014there\u2019s always more than one. But perhaps one of the most obvious points of departure is the abuse of the dead in politics. This is very characteristic of the political realities in the Russian Federation. Of course, this happens elsewhere, but in Russia, it reaches its most grotesque expression. The Party of the Dead arose largely as a reaction to this exploitation.<\/p>\n<p>By 2017, when the party appeared, political reality in the RF seemed very strange to me: the border between the living and the dead was seemingly erased, yet no one was truly living: everything happened as if in a haze of the undead, death-in-life, life-death. One day, dead voters cast ballots for a convenient candidate; the next, a dead deputy votes for a convenient law; then someone proposes granting the dead the right to vote so they can be used to vote for the &#8220;right&#8221; person without any pretense. The dead are forced into a hellish can-can, while the living are treated as if they are already dead.<\/p>\n<p>I watched the rise of the &#8220;Immortal Regiment&#8221; with particular horror.<\/p>\n<p>I saw the very beginning while I was still living in Tomsk. It seemed like a decent grassroots initiative for commemoration\u2014but something about it was wrong. I couldn&#8217;t shake the feeling that they were dragging the dead into the streets thoughtlessly, with a kind of indifference. The &#8220;Immortal Regiment&#8221; seemed to open a sluice to the underworld, from which the chthonic monster of war eventually emerged\u2014a political &#8220;non-corpse&#8221; (to use the term of the necrorealists). Many of the party&#8217;s early actions and demonstrations were parodies of the Immortal Regiment.<\/p>\n<p>Additionally, the Party of the Dead did not arise from a void, but from the diverse practices of the performance group {rodina}, which engaged in &#8220;experimental political art.&#8221; We had quite a lot focused on death and necropolitics. Besides, I had long wanted to make activism and protest art more &#8220;gothic&#8221; (something more gothic than heroic).<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/nottoday.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2022-z200-2_11zon-1024x680.jpg\" alt=\"Party of the Dead Action\" class=\"wp-image-4100\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Photo from private archive<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>\u2014 What do you invest in the word &#8220;dead&#8221;\u2014is it a metaphor, a political category, or a concrete community?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 First of all, it is not a metaphor: the dead are any dead, truly dead. This is the fundamental meaning we start from\u2014and then various figurative meanings can be layered on top, like the &#8220;dead while living,&#8221; political corpses, etc. But the dead, the truly dead, remain the base for all these metaphors\u2014because there are more dead than living. Paradoxically, the dead are the largest social group. And life, as I see it, is a special case of a more universal non-living state.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 How would you explain the Party of the Dead to someone who hears the name for the first time and thinks it\u2019s a joke?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 First, I would probably reassure them as best I could that it\u2019s not a joke. Broadly speaking, the Party of the Dead is a party that includes all the dead, as well as those living who feel the need to stand in solidarity with the dead. Since this party includes all the dead\u2014the largest social group\u2014it is, effectively, the largest party in the world. But it can hardly exist officially, as the dead do not recognize any state, and they, in turn, do not need recognition from any state.<\/p>\n<p>Furthermore, the dead are not only the largest social group but also the most marginalized and disenfranchised: &#8220;the largest people, the smallest.&#8221; It is, in essence, a necro-proletariat: on one hand, they are maximally excluded; on the other, the living exploit them constantly in almost everything, not expecting the dead to respond. The Party of the Dead represents precisely that response.<\/p>\n<p><iframe style=\"border: 0;width: 100%;height: 120px\" src=\"https:\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/album=2361677303\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/track=4057778397\/transparent=true\/\"><a href=\"https:\/\/studioofunconsciousmusic.bandcamp.com\/album\/live-no-techno\">live NO techno by Studio of Unconscious Music<\/a><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size:30px\">&nbsp;<strong>&#8220;Echo of the Forgotten&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Does the Party of the Dead have a program\u2014or is the absence of a program its political position?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The Party of the Dead is an entirely impossible party, and its program is equally impossible. We define our common goal as necro-revolution, and three tasks lead toward it:<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><em>1. To ensure the dead speak\u2014by themselves and on their own behalf, not as resurrected beings, but as the dead.<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><em>2. To question the claims of the living to speak on behalf of the dead.<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><em>3. To remind the dead that they are dead.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The first task seems completely impossible, the third\u2014strange, though it is essentially a &#8220;memento mori&#8221; for the dead\u2014because many act as if they don&#8217;t know they are already dead (this applies to the living as potential dead as well). The second task\u2014the critical one\u2014seems the most realistic, though it too is problematic.<\/p>\n<p>Many living people love to speak for the dead, claiming privileged access to them. The dead become a resource for their own authority. Putin, for example, tries to frame things as if he isn\u2019t just a pathetic KGB man who happened into power, but that behind him stand especially valuable dead (like WWII veterans). Limonov also filled his party of the dead with choice cadres, creating a sort of pantheon of heroes. But, firstly, all dead are equal\u2014because none are &#8220;deader&#8221; than others. Secondly, no one has a primary right to speak for the dead\u2014since all the living are in roughly the same state of non-knowledge regarding them.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/nottoday.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2021-necromayday-2_11zon-1024x680.jpg\" alt=\"Necro May Day Action\" class=\"wp-image-4095\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Photo from private archive<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The living don&#8217;t just misappropriate the voices of the dead; they force them to say things convenient for themselves. Very often, the living put fascist nonsense into the mouths of the dead: thus the dead begin to protect &#8220;traditions&#8221; and &#8220;centuries-old foundations&#8221; and seemingly sanction wretched dictators with their magical authority.<\/p>\n<p>But we ourselves speak on behalf of the dead: we are forced to speak for them, because even to criticize the claims of those who speak for the dead, one must speak on their behalf. We do not hide this fact\u2014though, of course, it does not justify us. So everything we do remains under a great question mark.<\/p>\n<p>Whatever the case, we try to adhere to a certain &#8220;logic of death&#8221; and draw political conclusions from it. This logic, we believe, is equally accessible to everyone.<\/p>\n<p>This logic is nihilistic, anarchic, and communistic.<\/p>\n<p><em>Death is not another world, but the absence of world (and in this sense, it is nihilistic).<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Death is the maximum contempt for hierarchies, a radical horizontal (and in this sense, it is anarchic).<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Death is the base, the most common thing everyone has (and in this regard, it is communistic).<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Regarding the authority of the dead: yes, historically it is one of the sources of political power (which is always &#8220;power of the dead&#8221; in that sense). However, using the dead as a resource for authority is always abuse and contains a trick. The dead have no power, and their authority is a self-destructing authority.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 What problems of modern society do the dead see better than the living, in your opinion?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 The ancient philosopher Parmenides attributed a negative sensitivity to the dead: if the living are sensitive to heat and light, the dead feel cold and darkness. I am also inclined to attribute a kind of negative political sensitivity to the dead: the dead are maximally sensitive to violence, inequality, and exclusion. Therefore, in general, they &#8220;see&#8221; any political problems better than the living (&#8220;seeing without seeing,&#8221; or something like that).<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/nottoday.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2022-z200-1_11zon-1-1024x680.jpg\" alt=\"Party of the Dead protest\" class=\"wp-image-4098\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Photo from private archive<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>\u2014 How do you imagine the participation of the dead in the political process\u2014is it voice, memory, protest, silence?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 The dead are somehow always already participating in the political process, as they are in the past, which exists as a trace or a testament. The dead are in culture, in institutions created by those no longer living. The dead are in the language the living speak. And the specter of communism is still wandering somewhere, long ago moving beyond Europe. In our practices, we try to show that the dead belong not only to a finished, &#8220;convenient&#8221; past but also to the future. The dead &#8220;are present&#8221; in our now as the future.<\/p>\n<p>Regarding silence and the voice of the dead, I\u2019ve long had a strange idea. At first glance, the voice of the dead seems the most unheard thing possible. It feels as if they are mute or that their speeches\u2014like a faint rustle\u2014are always drowned out by the loud-mouthed living. But the dead are by no means silent; moreover, they all speak everything at once. Their speech coincides with their language (in the structural linguistic sense). This monstrous noise is what constitutes silence for us\u2014because billions of voices sounding &#8220;simultaneously&#8221; are beyond the perception of the living. To exist is to shield oneself from this deafening silence.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 What elements of performance or art are built into your party&#8217;s activities by design?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 All of this is too insane to stay within the boundaries of politics, so it moves into the realm of art, where such things are seemingly permissible. Nevertheless, it remains a political demand\u2014and therefore cannot be &#8220;just art&#8221; confined to museums and galleries.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Why do you think the idea of the Party of the Dead is relevant now, rather than ten or twenty years ago?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 What is happening now is a kind of flowering of necropolitics, though not yet its peak. In any case, what we talked about five or more years ago is becoming hard to ignore. This isn&#8217;t just about Russia. But in Russia, there is a literal &#8220;death conveyor&#8221;: war for war&#8217;s sake, a &#8220;special operation&#8221; death-economy (where it&#8217;s more profitable to go kill and die than to live), a resource-based attitude toward everything\u2014and Putin, obsessed with preserving his own life, almost with the idea of physical immortality.<\/p>\n<p>But broadly speaking, the Party of the Dead would always have been appropriate. It&#8217;s worth noting our party isn&#8217;t even the first in the post-Soviet space. In 1998, a &#8220;party of the dead&#8221; appeared in Latvian National Bolshevik circles; in 2011, artist Lena Hades founded her own. In a way, the party of the dead has always been there\u2014even when nothing was there yet.<\/p>\n<p><iframe style=\"border: 0;width: 100%;height: 120px\" src=\"https:\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/album=252926109\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/track=673442293\/transparent=true\/\"><a href=\"https:\/\/zhertvoprinosheniya.bandcamp.com\/album\/--5\">Less Than Nothing by Zhertvoprinosheniya<\/a><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size:30px\">&nbsp;<strong>&#8220;Voice of the Shadow&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 The dead have rights \u2014 What are rights for the dead?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 It is problematic to speak of human rights in relation to the dead. The rights to life, labor, rest, and education are suspended. The right to freedom of movement or religion too\u2014though the more abstract &#8220;right to freedom&#8221; is more interesting. But there remains a right common to both the living and the dead.<br \/>I would formulate it as the right to justice. Justice must be served toward the dead as well\u2014otherwise, it isn&#8217;t justice at all.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 At what point does a person enter your electorate: at biological death, social death, or even earlier?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 People join our party, primarily, with &#8220;true&#8221; (biological) death, which will happen sooner or later. This possibility is open to everyone; thus, everyone is potentially a member. In a sense, everyone is already in it, as the living is a special case of the dead.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/nottoday.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-quia-absurdum-3-684x1024.jpg\" alt=\"Maxim Evstropov Archive\" class=\"wp-image-4096\" style=\"width:840px;height:auto\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Photo from private archive<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Can a living person join the Party of the Dead, and what does it require of them\u2014besides the desire?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Yes, the living can join while still alive. For them, membership is voluntary, unlike the dead, for whom it is necessary. To fully participate in party life, one should also stand in solidarity with party principles (freedom, equality, mortality).<\/p>\n<p><iframe style=\"border: 0;width: 100%;height: 120px\" src=\"https:\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/album=852391193\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/transparent=true\/\"><a href=\"https:\/\/zhertvoprinosheniya.bandcamp.com\/album\/--8\">Necromechanics by Zhertvoprinosheniya<\/a><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size:30px\">&nbsp;<strong>&#8220;Crossroads of Timelessness&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 How do you maintain the boundary between a political project and an artistic statement, or is that boundary unnecessary for you?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 What we do is located exactly on that boundary. It&#8217;s not that it&#8217;s unnecessary\u2014rather, we constantly question it. It&#8217;s not about the aestheticization of politics, or even the politicization of aesthetics, but a constant crossing of this border. And this applies not only to the general boundary between politics and art but to the limits of the aesthetic and political in general.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 What reactions do you hear most from people\u2014laughter, fear, interest, misunderstanding?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 We encounter all four types. But generally, what we do seems terribly funny to me. However, the tragic component should not be forgotten either.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 What real social or political processes do the dead catch earlier than the living\u2014and how does this knowledge change your actions in the world?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 The dead generally catch the future &#8220;earlier&#8221; because they are closer to it.<\/p>\n<p><iframe style=\"border: 0;width: 100%;height: 120px\" src=\"https:\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/album=1235095407\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/track=1302541094\/transparent=true\/\"><a href=\"https:\/\/zhertvoprinosheniya.bandcamp.com\/album\/--9\">Void Set In by Zhertvoprinosheniya<\/a><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size:30px\">&nbsp;<strong>&#8220;Call of the Empty Halls&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 If the Party of the Dead were to get a seat in parliament, what would be its first gesture, its first intervention in the life of the country?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Depends on the country, of course. But if it were Russia, the first gestures\u2014obvious not only to us\u2014would be the withdrawal of troops from Ukraine, the release of prisoners, and amnesty for political prisoners. Beyond that, according to our tasks: toward global necro-revolution and the withering away of all states.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 How do you organize your work: are there meetings, documents, a charter\u2014or does the party live by the laws of another world?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 We have a draft charter, which remains a draft because its ratification requires confirmation from all the dead. We love documents too: we issue party IDs to anyone interested, which are considered real in any case\u2014even if they are fake. Meetings happen too. While in Russia, we often met in cemeteries. We once held a congress in Georgia.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/nottoday.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-quia-absurdum-1_11zon-1024x684.jpg\" alt=\"Maxim Evstropov Photo\" class=\"wp-image-4097\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Photo from private archive<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>\u2014 With which modern political or artistic movements do you feel kinship, and with which a fundamental divergence?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 As activists, we often interact with other libertarian movements: queer, fem, eco, vegan, left and anarchist, decolonizers. We clearly have nothing in common with state-worshippers and fascists.<\/p>\n<p>Personally, I like different strange things: libertarian Satanism, magical Marxism, or Mark Fisher&#8217;s &#8220;Gothic Communism.&#8221; I\u2019ve always been drawn to &#8220;dark&#8221; aesthetics. Yet, mainstream activism usually ignores it, while &#8220;darkness lovers&#8221; are mostly &#8220;non-political&#8221; or simply fascists. I am trying to create a strange synthesis that satisfies me.<\/p>\n<p><iframe style=\"border: 0;width: 100%;height: 120px\" src=\"https:\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/album=1686761662\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/transparent=true\/\"><a href=\"https:\/\/zhertvoprinosheniya.bandcamp.com\/album\/--10\">More Dead by Zhertvoprinosheniya<\/a><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size:30px\"><strong>&#8220;Memory of Forgotten Voices&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 How do you feel about attempts to perceive your party as satire\u2014does it help or hinder?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 We view it with understanding. Death is funny and strange.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 If the dead are memory, trauma, and forgotten stories, what kind of memory are you trying to return to the political field?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Memory of the future, primarily. And also memory of that which left no trace.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 What political task, in your opinion, can only the Party of the Dead perform and no one else?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 The task of preparing for the global necro-revolution, obviously.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/nottoday.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-quia-absurdum-2_11zon-1024x684.jpg\" alt=\"Party of the Dead Mask\" class=\"wp-image-4099\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Photo from private archive<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"font-size:30px\"><strong>&#8220;Silence Remains&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>[remains]<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>I so love partitions<br \/>they are our manner, our habit, our dull freedom<br \/>and waste<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>or else to love so<br \/>what remains after the dissolution of partitions<br \/>that dull sea<br \/>for in any case it remains<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>remains<br \/>to listen into this &#8220;remains&#8221;<br \/>into its not even splash<br \/>not even hum<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>remains<br \/>when everything else disappears<br \/>(our manners, our habits, our dull freedom<br \/>and waste)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>[30\/7\/2011]<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In our world, there is almost no silence in politics. But there are those who speak from the shadows\u2014those who are not heard, those called the dead. We met with Maxim Evstropov, the founder of the Party of the Dead, and through him, we hear their voices: whispers, memories, protest. 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